Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Malvern Preparatory School

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Malvern Preparatory School was proposed for deletion. This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was KEEP. 11 votes to delete. Nominator's vote was ambiguous, but impliedly delete. Block votes were ignored. Postdlf 21:48, 27 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Malvern Preparatory School[edit]

This is fairly well-written (best of the batch), but is it notable enough? What do you think? Mandel 18:28, Oct 20, 2004 (UTC)

  • Obviously I'm voting keep, although I'm probably a bit biased ;). However, I can promise that I'll be expanding the article a bit more over the next few days, especially over the weekend when I have more time to write. --Goobergunch 23:15, 20 Oct 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep. This is the best of the batch, and I appreciate your honest assesment, Mandel. Has alumni and good history. The only thing that worries me about this article are the deadlinks to possibly non-notable schools. Deadlinks encourage creation, and we should be cautious about that. Good article in its own right though. Cool Hand Luke (Communicate!) 07:45, 21 Oct 2004 (UTC)
  • Hmm, the alumni are an actor, a baseball player, and someone married to a politician. I'm not that impressed by the list. It looks like a well-written and balanced article, though, and does include one news related fact. I'm borderline either way on this one. Average Earthman 08:24, 21 Oct 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep. -- Necrothesp 13:32, 21 Oct 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep. Excellent article; establishes notability. Ambi 13:50, 21 Oct 2004 (UTC)
    Yet again we have ot put up with non-notable crap just because someone thinks the article is well-written. See below Chris 02:47, 23 Oct 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep. The person or persons responsible for this article deserve to be given cookies as a reward for actually making an honest atempt to establish notability. [[User:Aranel|Aranel ("Sarah")]] 01:03, 22 Oct 2004 (UTC)
  • Count in 3 more delete votes from Improv, WOT and Vina. See above. Mandel 09:07, Oct 22, 2004 (UTC)
    • I don't think so. If they can't be bothered to vote individually on each article's merits then I definitely don't think we should accept their votes. Stop this ludicrous campaign against school articles just because they're school articles. Some are worth keeping, some aren't. This one is. -- Necrothesp 00:44, 23 Oct 2004 (UTC)
      • This is not a witch-hunt. I have kept a lot of school articles that establishes notability in their write-up, but IMO, this one, though lengthier and written in better prose, still fails to establish notability. Mandel 08:09, Oct 23, 2004 (UTC)
        • Fine. You have voted individually. I have no problem with that (although I don't happen to agree with you). But those other three have not. This suggests that they could not be bothered to read the article in question and respond to it on its own merits and have indeed voted on its title only, which does make it seem like a 'witch-hunt', as you put it. If this is not the case then they should be voting on this section, not collectively in an unrelated section. I don't think that's acceptable. -- Necrothesp 11:54, 23 Oct 2004 (UTC)
    • No, these cannot be counted. Please only vote for yourself. RickK 23:57, Oct 23, 2004 (UTC)
  • Also count in 21 more keep votes from 207.189.98.44, theresa knott, Camembert, Gentgeen, Penfold, Imran, Guaka, Andres, Catherine, Ambivalenthysteria, Dpbsmith, TB, Oldak Quill, Improv, Neutrality, Jamesday, Martin, TMC1221, Johnleemk, ALargeElk, and AAAAA. See Wikipedia_talk:Deletion_policy/schools. anthony (see warning) 23:31, 23 Oct 2004 (UTC)
    • No, these cannot be counted. Please only vote for yourself. RickK 23:57, Oct 23, 2004 (UTC)
      • Agree with Rick. Anthony cannot vote for other people in this way. Theresa Knott (Not the skater) 18:41, 24 Oct 2004 (UTC)
        • Do you likewise agree with Rick that Mandel can't vote for other people in this way? anthony 警告 20:23, 24 Oct 2004 (UTC)
          • Yes I do. Block voting for other people isn't on. Theresa Knott (Not the skater) 20:37, 24 Oct 2004 (UTC)
            • It would be usefr ato be ablet o register that you want to vote for any school that is listed solely for being 'non-notable' without having to troll through 30 or so a day. 207.189.98.44 20:46, 25 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Analysis of an article:

  • para. 1 - the basics. Always a good start, but not an article by themselves.
  • "History" TBH, this could be any school in any community. Nothing in here sets it apart from other schools around the world.
  • "Priest abuse" Ugh. Does this belong here? I think not - there should be many better places for this. Otherwise it's veiled attempt at saying "Don't send your kids here, they might get raped."
  • Notable alumni - an old bone of contention, but that list certainly isn't impressive, and definitely is not a source of notability. David's best mates and family aren't notable in themselves, so why should this school be?
  • School year - fairly standard. In countries with real education systems, term dates are fixed, so this is entirely moot.
  • Athletics - "Malvern boasts a strong athletic program, with 16 varsity sports." ... and? SFW?
  • ACtivities - "Malvern offers 21 extracurricular activities." Yet again, SFW?
  • The robotics part certainly doesn't establish anything notable - simply having a robotics club or society isn't a notable achievement. Having the first ever schools robotics club ever in the world ever might be, but nothing in what was said here is notable in the slightest.

So, in summary, what on this page establishes the school as notable? Sweet FA. Delete Chris 02:47, 23 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Notablility is not relevant. Mark Richards 17:10, 25 Oct 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep. It establishes some minor notable aspects of the school. However, the academics and activities sections should be dumped. Most schools have AP classes and extracurricular activities. Who cares? Gamaliel 05:41, 23 Oct 2004 (UTC)
    • It establishes some minor notable aspects of the school. Name them please. Chris 18:29, 23 Oct 2004 (UTC)
      • The revolutionary war battlefield and the notable alumni. Gamaliel 18:58, 23 Oct 2004 (UTC)
        • The school is not notable for its alumni, unless they have contributed to their notability. Same goes for the battlefield - it might be notable, but it doesn't make things sited on it notable by association. Next! Chris 19:04, 23 Oct 2004
          • I surrender. Congratulations on your victory over the Malvern Preparatory School. Gamaliel 19:12, 23 Oct 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep. [[User:Neutrality|Neutrality (hopefully!)]] 00:01, Oct 24, 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep. School. anthony (see warning) 00:57, 24 Oct 2004 (UTC)
  • keep; almost encyclopedic, appears to be notable on a local level. Appears verifiable. The abuse by a priest is notable because it happens in a school. Mozzerati 15:00, 2004 Oct 24 (UTC)
  • Keep - factual, verifiable entry. Mark Richards 17:10, 25 Oct 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep. Intrigue 21:10, 25 Oct 2004 (UTC)

This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like other '/delete' pages is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion or on the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages. Please do not edit this page.