Talk:Panic attack

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Bibliography option for possible sources[edit]

Bakker, A., Van Balkom, A., & Spinhoven, P. (2002, September). SSRIs vs. TCAs in the treatment of panic disorder: a meta-analysis [Electronic version]. Acta Psychiatrica Scandinavica, 106(3), 163-167. doi:10.1034/j.1600-0447.2002.02255.x

Hettema, J., Neale, M., & Kendler, K. (2001, October). A review and meta-analysis of the genetic epidemiology of anxiety disorders. The American Journal of Psychiatry, 158(10), 1568-1578. Retrieved from https://doi.org/10.1176/appi.ajp.158.10.1568Guysmiley3000 (talk) 01:48, 7 February 2018 (UTC)

11% of Americans have a panic attack each year?!?[edit]

This is mentioned in the intro and it sounds a little nuts. 1 in 9 Americans have a panic attack *each* year? So if you have 27 friends/acquaintances, then 3 of them had a panic attack in 2015 for instance? Is this based on self-reports or what? A citation would be nice. Ceresly (talk) 23:24, 5 October 2016 (UTC)

Every sentence in the lead has a citation. This one is supported by the DSM5 ref provided. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 00:02, 6 October 2016 (UTC)

Europe - US disparity[edit]

'In Europe about 3% of the population has a panic attack in a given year while in the United States they affect about 11%.' Panic attack seems to be four times more common in the US compared to Europe. This is a strange result. No source is given for this statement. Is this true and why? Jose Mathew (talk) 14:30, 29 October 2016 (UTC)

Oh, there is a reference at the end of the paragraph. But the reason is not given. Jose Mathew (talk) 15:17, 29 October 2016 (UTC)

Need feedback[edit]

I had a couple thoughts about how to improve this article:

1. The introduction doesn't flow very well and I feel like it's a little difficult to read. Perhaps it could be reworded while still retaining all the information that's in the sentences currently?

2. The diagnosis section is a bit small. Maybe we could add information about different models or scales that clinicians use when they're diagnosing panic attacks?

3. The causes section could be transformed into a paragraph to make it a little easier to read. The bullet points are fine but there's a lot of information on each bullet points so it may just make more sense to turn it into a paragraph.

4. The epidemiology section is interesting but it probably needs more info?

5. The "experimentally-induced" section under causes seems like it would fit somewhere else. People look to Wikipedia to gather information and I don't think people are wanting to learn about experiments/research under the "Causes" section. Maybe it could be moved somewhere or given its own section and expanded upon?

6. I thought it'd be interesting to mention the role of neurotransmitters in the article but I didn't see anything about them in there. It could go under the causes section.

I have also collected some sources that I think are able to be cited on Wikipedia, although I'm new to this so I'm not positive. Anyone see any problems with my sources?

Broadleys (talk) 22:46, 1 February 2018 (UTC)

The lead follows the body of the article.
This "They can vary in duration from seconds to minutes, and even hours in extreme cases." is less informative than "Typically they last for about 30 minutes but the duration can vary from seconds to hours."
The prior version tells you what is usual followed by what can potentially occur.
The lead is written in short sentences, which might now flow beautifully for an English as a first language reader, but from what I have been told makes it more understandable for those who read English as a second language. Our goal is more to support the latter. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 18:56, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
Sources look decent though some are over 10 years old. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 18:58, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

PSYC-2701 Class Wiki Project[edit]

This article is already pretty lengthy and well done, but I believe there are some interesting topics that have yet to be discussed. Chest pain is mentioned, but there is no evidence provided surrounding the possibility of them being related or causal of each other one way or another (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24923348). Another topic missing from the Wikipedia article on panic attacks is the relation to sexuality, such as gay or lesbian (http://www.clinicalcorrelations.org/?p=4630). Lastly, there is a large number of people with panic disorder - approximately one-third - that are treatment-resistant, and there is no mention of this phenomenon within the article (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26635099). I hope bringing these new sources to the table can possibly help a few more people, such as even myself, understand panic attacks. I am very open to anyone wishing to give me feedback on any or all of these sources before I begin my draft or write my final paper on this subject. Thanks! Rjbamber (talk) 22:30, 2 March 2018 (UTC)

Your sources look like they are pretty good, it might be interesting to see if you could find an article on the prevalence age has to do with panic attacks. If they are more prevalent in older or younger people, and why that is. I think you added some concrete points here so if you can't find articles on age then it is good how it is. Thanks.Jocelyne.perry (talk) 19:41, 13 March 2018 (UTC)

Proposal to remove arbitrarily frightening lead image[edit]

The prominent position and shocking nature of the current lead image for this article will obviously frighten anyone on the verge of a panic attack looking for information. The image has no provenance, and arguably bear no intuitive resemblance to the experience of a panic attack, besides “being weird”. I’d like to propose it is removed from the article. Wormald (talk) 13:30, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

While technically WP:NOTCENSORED (which I encourage you to read), I certainly understand the desire to have a less potentially triggering lead image. We currently don't have a good replacement image to use (the previous one didn't work as a lead image for multiple reasons), but if you are aware of any high quality images we could replace it with, I'm sure we could work something out. As it happens the image is my own, and depicts my subjective experiences with panic and anxiety attacks—a discussion with friends of mine who experience panic attacks as well indicated that for them it was actually an immediately relatable or "intuitive" image, but, being a work of art, that is obviously a subjective judgement. For now I think it would be best to keep it per WP:NOTCENSORED, but if you have something better to replace it with, I'd absolutely be willing to put it as a replacement lead image (perhaps moving the current one further down in the article, where it won't immediately be seen by people looking up panic attacks, but can still be found). Cheers, Yitz (talk) 14:53, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
@Wormald and Yitzilitt: I think it would be better if the image was moved down to a different section, possible in or below the "Signs and symptoms" section. This removes the image from the lead and also prevents the image from being displayed on page previews, mobile search, and social media embeds, and still keeps this artistic depiction. I agree that Wikipedia is not censored, but the unsettling image is slightly undue given the article content, and isn't necessarily an accurate (nor objective) depiction of what a panic attack is actually like which would strongly warrant its space on the infobox. Sometimes we do have to make a few exceptions on how we layout articles for the benefit of readers. Chlod (say hi!) 15:32, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
Sounds reasonable! If you wouldn't mind implementing that, I'd be appreciative :) Yitz (talk) 15:34, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
 Done with Special:Diff/1016691712. Chlod (say hi!) 15:37, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
Thank you for the speedy compromise and improving edit. I maintain the stance that the picture is irrelevant and inappropriate, and note that Yitzilitt says they “enjoy experimenting with strange and surreal aesthetics” on their profile - which is fine and dandy, but surely a wikipedia page on a serious condition is not an appropriate publishing platform for ones personal artistic experimentations?
Alternative image ideas - as the core component of a panic attack is the experience of fear, either a simple picture of a face experiencing fear (such as this one of dilated pupils with a negative valence), or a recognisable artistic work associated with fear (something like Edvard Munch’s “The Scream?”), (or both) could work? Wormald (talk) 12:26, 13 April 2021 (UTC)