Talk:Sun bear

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Nickmo?[edit]

The first sentence in the "Description" section says that it's the smallest bear and then it continues to say "just like how a Nickmo is the smallest member of the cat (feline) family". What is that? That information is 1. Irrelevant and 2. Incorrect? Last I checked a rusty-spotted cat was the smallest in the feline family, I've never heard of a Nickmo nor does it come up anywhere where you search for it, and most importantly, it's completely irrelevant to this article. I would suggest taking it out. Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.151.9.192 (talk) 23:05, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

Raffles?[edit]

The binomial name of this species is listed as:

"Helarctos malayanus (Raffles, 1821)"

Raffles links to a disambig page. I suspect that the Raffles being referred to here is Thomas Stamford Raffles, but I have been unable to find a reference to definitively verify this.

Kevyn 03:26, 19 Aug 2004 (UTC)

If anyone doubts the above, please see: [1], [2] --anon —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.210.163.162 (talk) 16:57, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

basindo nan tenggil?[edit]

I'm pretty sure this isn't malay. Possibly an orang asli language, but until more info pops up I am removing this. Borisblue 01:59, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

IUCN Red List Status[edit]

How come the IUCN red list status is not according to SSC (http://www.iucnredlist.org/search/details.php/9760/all). They list this bear as DD. Tbjornstad 08:44, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Fixed. - UtherSRG (talk) 11:45, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Pets?[edit]

Do people keep sun bears as pets? —Lowellian (reply) 20:02, 1 October 2007 (UTC) HADLEY IS AWSOME

  • Apparently, yes. Added to article. Anaxial 18:35, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Yes

Adetolabanjo (talk) 23:22, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

Redundant words are reduntant[edit]

I removed several redundancies. I think that it's possibly, maybe, may even be okay.84.48.229.186 (talk) —Preceding undated comment was added at 13:37, 26 September 2008 (UTC).

Where does it live?[edit]

The article contains no mention of the Sun Bear's habitat. Where does it live? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Austin Bruce (talkcontribs) 04:16, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Add something about their tongues?[edit]

I've found a few pictures of sun bear's with >1 foot long tounges. This may be a good addition? --97.112.142.149 (talk) 19:49, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

Genus classification change[edit]

When was this bear moved into the genus Ursus from Helarctos?

Bruinfan12 (talk) 04:51, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

Good question, it is not included in the Ursus page, and it is listed as Helarctos on the ursidae page. FunkMonk (talk) 19:44, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

Sun Bears as Social Animals[edit]

The Sun Bear is the most social of all bears seeking tremendous interaction with humans in captivity and not prospering in groups of less then three.

I think it would be quite informative to add this as a section to the page.--Patbahn (talk) 01:33, 2 April 2011 (UTC)

Fierce Reputation?[edit]

The sentence "Adult sun bears have almost no predators except humans, due to their fierce reputation and formidable teeth." seems to imply that the sun bear's fierce reputation is known even amongst other animals (i.e. would be predators), and that because of this reputation they avoid hunting the bear. This seems kind of silly, and probably needs revising. gz33 (talk) 15:25, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

ya this really made me laugh. animals in malaysia are worried about eating the sun bear as it is known to be something of a bad ass. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.128.131.57 (talk) 22:03, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
Sun Bear don't care, he just goes...--Patbahn (talk) 14:58, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

Extinct[edit]

Why does the little box show the bear as being extinct? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.254.156.143 (talk) 20:23, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Reproduction[edit]

Under Reproduction it says they suckle for 18 months, and then the next sentence says after 2 or 3 months they are able to play and forage by themselves...which is it? 38.108.124.162 (talk) 14:52, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

Facial mimicry[edit]

Should be mentioned in article: "[Sun] bears appear to have facial communication of [high] complexity [though] they have no special evolutionary link to humans, unlike monkeys are apes, nor are they domesticated animals like dogs..." https://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/bears-communication-cats-doubts-facial-expressions-portsmouth-university-a8833561.html Zazpot (talk) 13:19, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

BMC Article - Changed Genus[edit]

The BMC put out an article in 2008 saying that sun bears should be considered Ursus malayanus. I think at the very least the article should be noted on the page. --Mjmannella (talk) 18:14, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

GA Review[edit]

This review is transcluded from Talk:Sun bear/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

I'll take this one. Reviewer: Chiswick Chap (talk · contribs) 13:00, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

Comments[edit]

Helarctos malayanus skull
  • The images are a bit 'here's a bear' ... 'here's another bear' ... 'here are 3 bears' (and btw they're in a zoo). I'm not sure, in a word, what function they serve. The first one works well enough for ID but all the caption needs to say is that it's a female. The 'u-shaped patch' image repeats the first; the 'excellent climbers' shows what a climber would call 'a walk'; the diet one is ok but should be cropped - maybe I'll do that; the Sabah, Malaysia one is a better image giving a feel for being in forest; and the 3 at the bottom do seem unnecessary really. Are no other images available (how about a skull, for instance?).
  • Most images on Commons show bears in zoos. Rest are mainly museum specimens or illustrations (this one seems a bit like threat display [3]). Fixed the infobox caption. We can add a skull pic (I really have not felt the need to use it elsewhere so it slipped from my mind here), where exactly would it look best? I agree we should fix the 'climber' caption, may be say something about tree-living? The Sabah one was also tough to find, most pics have a plain background. And the bottom 3 pic was already there in the article so I let it be, especially as it was the only one showing a group, but we can omit that if you say. Sainsf · (How ya doin'?) 01:24, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
I've binned the last one as totally useless, but there are still too many photos of bears doing not a lot. Apart from the first one and the one eating, the rest are basically decorative: they don't add anything. Sorry but that's how it is.
  • "noted for its similarity to the rising sun" - doesn't work for me, never seen a U-shaped sun. Perhaps just drop the phrase, as the sentence is clear without it.
  • All sources that mention this keep repeating "rising sun", though they obviously mean the overturned semicircle. Can you think of a better way of putting it? If we can't then I guess it has to go.
  • The Greek for 'sun' isn't "hela", it's Ἥλιος Hēlios - some connection, evidently, but not the same.
  • Beruang is just the usual Malay/Indonesian word for "Bear" (unconnected to bruin, [brown] bear); Orang means "Man".
  • For both points above, seems the Mammalian Species article (the only source discussing the etymology) did not get these right. I will try to fix these from proper dictionary sources.
  • Okay the first point has been corrected and I added a good source for it. The second had to go as there clearly is not a specific name for this bear, it is just the bear that occurs in the region may be. Sainsf · (How ya doin'?) 01:46, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
  • "possibly due to extensive deforestation" - maybe put this in commas.
  • Done
  • "varies a lot" - perhaps "varies widely".
  • Done
  • The linked Display (zoology) article is a shocking mess. Signalling theory is better and covers much of that territory, though not sure it's what we want to link here. Future work, perhaps.
  • That article really needs some work. Though over the years I have been suggested to link "display" to this, you are right about signalling theory, the "stotting" of impala and using the patch to threaten others (sun bears) are both signals. Changed the link and going to use it in similar cases later.
  • "are known to tear open" - could drop the "are known to".
  • Done
  • "dispersal of Canarium pilosum seeds" - connect this to the mention of Burseracea just above.
  • Done
  • "external simulation for excretion" - does this mean for defecation?
  • Yes. Reworded

Thank you so much for taking this! I will get to these soon. Sainsf · (How ya doin'?) 13:26, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

My pleasure. I've cut a couple of images, cropped the feeder and added the skull. The result is certainly less repetitive. Another excellent article. Chiswick Chap (talk) 07:19, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
Thank you for your efforts and comments :) I will remember these points. Also.. One point about the pigs GA review, I'm confused where to list it in the GA topics, I mentioned this on the review page but it may have missed your attention. Thanks again, Sainsf · (How ya doin'?) 07:37, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
It's all a bit arbitrary. Some of the other 'Human interactions with <group>' are under 'Biology' on the GA page, not exactly ideal. 'Culture, sociology, and psychology' could be right but if you look at what else is there, it's not exactly a great match either. You pays your money and you takes your choice. :} Chiswick Chap (talk) 07:49, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

Did you know nomination[edit]

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 10:12, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

Sun bear
Sun bear
  • ... that the sun bear (pictured) is the smallest of all bear species? Sources: [4] [5] [6]
    • ALT1:... that the sun bear (pictured) gets its name from the characteristic orange to cream coloured, crescent-like patch on its chest? Sources: [7] [8]

Improved to Good Article status by Sainsf (talk). Self-nominated at 12:40, 11 May 2020 (UTC).


General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Symbol confirmed.svg 98% hit on earwig with https://domestic-animals.com/sun-bear/ which I assume is copying us. —valereee (talk) 18:17, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

Taxonomy tree : improvement possible[edit]

The tree could be improve via the following steps :

  • Move it to a template, so it could be used by several bear articles.
  • Reorganize the tree's branches and leaves, so to somewhat mirror the geographic distribution and closeness

I just did a minor edit in this direction, but the English Wikipedia being tense, I encourage people agreeing with these suggestions to voice their support and be bold. Yug (talk) 14:59, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

Yug, thank you for the suggestions but I am not sure what you mean by point 2. We generally go with how the tree is depicted in the source. About creating a template, it surely can be done (you can do it too) but generally it won't be necessary as we can simply copy the code between similar articles with minor changes wherever necessary. Cheers, Sainsf (t · c) 15:16, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
Sainsf, when possible, I inverted the order of appeareance so species with geographic proximity are presented nearby.
This tree is elegant, could surely be reused as it in about 5~6 other articles. ;) Template seems the best way to go. Yug (talk) 15:27, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
Yug, okay, anymore changes you suggest in the tree? I am not familiar with the geographical distribution of all bear species so I am not sure I can make any changes. I am not sure how to make a template for use in articles. For both your points you can gather more opinions at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Tree of Life, if you wish to discuss this further. Sainsf (t · c) 18:02, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
I think it s quite fair now ;) Yug (talk) 13:15, 31 May 2020 (UTC)