Talk:Southern American English

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Other Vocabulary[edit]

Would just like to add some other slang that is used in the Southern United States.

Britches - Pants Lick (noun) - A general amount of the content being described. Uppity - Snobby How do? - How do you do? Hankerin' for - A craving for

- Having my whole family from the south the list could go on forever, just figured adding a few more for some that might need clarification [1]

MLKing (talk) 06:23, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

They sound good so long as you can find a better source. Not sure if "Red Neck Slang" is the most credible one out there, ha. Wolfdog (talk) 20:57, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ "Redneck Slang Words". YourDictionary.


It is well known that "Bless your heart" is actually Southern for "Go to hell" (or a similar sentiment) and not a statement of sympathy as defined in this article. I don't yet have a source that can be cited for this, though. --Peter (Cactus Pete) (talk) 20:40, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

Yes, that is true, and also true that a source would be great. It's certainly both: an expression of concern that became used (maybe used even more) in an ironic sense. Wolfdog (talk) 23:30, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

Move to "Southern United States English"[edit]

Seems like an editor skipped the whole protocol of Requesting controversial and potentially controversial moves here. I assumed "Southern American English" was pretty well established and "Southern United States English" not so much. Others' thoughts? Wolfdog (talk) 13:58, 11 April 2018 (UTC)

Agreed. Southern American English is much more common. — Ƶ§œš¹ [lɛts b̥iː pʰəˈlaɪˀt] 16:21, 11 April 2018 (UTC)
I've reverted the move per Wolfdog's request. A move proposal can be made using the procedures at WP:RM. - Station1 (talk) 15:09, 13 April 2018 (UTC)
It should be "Southern USA English" or similar, "Southern American" sounds like a synonym for South American. Irtapil (talk) 16:15, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
Except it doesn't. Southern American and South American are commonly (and easily) parsed in everyday speech. — Ƶ§œš¹ [lɛts b̥iː pʰəˈlaɪˀt] 18:10, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

Mild page restructuring[edit]

@121.217.21.232, 120.29.117.138, 36.75.96.92, and 76.11.187.69: I see that since my mild August 23 restructuring there have been several other attempts to restructure the page. I think that means it's time for a discussion. My original thinking was this:

  • Modern phonology
    • Inland South and Texas
    • Distinct Southern areas
      • Atlanta, Charleston, and Savannah
      • Southern Louisiana

In this structuring, every sub-heading falls under a proper other (sub-)heading: i.e., Atlanta, Charleston, Savannah, AND Southern Louisiana are all "distinct Southern areas". I'll get to some reasons in a moment about why my own restructuring was imperfect*. At the present moment, however, what has been settled upon is the following ordering:

  • Modern phonology
    • Inland South and Texas
    • Urban Areas
      • Atlanta, Charleston, and Savannah
    • Southern Louisiana

This is OK, but there are some problems. First, the purpose of my original change was to put all distinct/unique/divergent phonologies (i.e. "dialectally non-Southern" Southern accents) under a common heading. Second, "Urban Areas" (and "Areas" shouldn't be capitalized anyway) is a little controversial. Just because urban speakers are retreating from the dialect doesn't mean younger urban speech now gets to be the definition of all urban speech. For all we know, the retreat could stop, diminish, or even reverse. Third (see my asterisk above*), neither of our re-orderings recognize that the "Southern Louisiana" section discusses both phonology AND vocabulary. Here's the best re-ordering I can think to propose:

  • Modern phonology
    • Inland South and Texas
    • Distinct phonologies
      • Atlanta, Charleston, and Savannah
      • Southern Louisiana

This is a lot smoother, since we'd be encouraging consistency by repeating the word "phonology". If we chose "phonology", however, we'd really have to move Southern Louisiana's vocabulary (neutral ground, banquette, etc.) under a second "Southern Louisiana" sub-section within the current "Vocabulary" section. I'd be happy to do all this. Wolfdog (talk) 21:17, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

Maybe this is less controversial than I thought. I'll just implement the changes. Someone can revert if they don't like 'em. Wolfdog (talk) 14:31, 29 August 2018 (UTC)

Liketa[edit]

I added "liketa" (could also be written "like to" or "liked ta") to the typical Southern vocab list, but it occurs to me that it might not be typical after all. Alabama and southern Appalachia, where it's best studied, are certainly only a small region of the whole South. Anyone from outside that core area ever use the word or hear your neighbors use it? Wolfdog (talk) 23:31, 3 September 2018 (UTC)

Reference Concerns[edit]

Is there a reference or source for the second paragraph of the Geography section that mentions the potential origin of Southern American English? I could not find the citation and it does not seem like a common knowledge paragraph.

BitterLilyz (talk) 15:14, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

@BitterLilyz: It appears to come from the first two pages of the Erik Thomas source. Wolfdog (talk) 12:37, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

"Confederate English" listed at Redirects for discussion[edit]

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An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Confederate English. Please participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so. Hog Farm (talk) 15:56, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

Celtic or Germanic or what?[edit]

Does the southern drawl come from ethnic southern celtic people's way of speaking or from germanic people's way of speaking? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.79.178.4 (talk) 15:51, 25 June 2020 (UTC)